I will deal with each remark. Are you familiar with the Spectracell micro-nutrient test panel? Here are the clues to thiamine deficiency as the cause of energy deficit. If the activity of the enzyme increases, it is reported out as the thiamine pyrophosphate effect (TPPE) meaning that the enzyme activity was below normal until it received thiamine. During sleep the brain is more active and he can access more parts of his brain It has also recently been found that thiamine dependent disease can occur because of things called SNPs in a protein that is responsible for creating a transporter system in the body that enables thiamine to enter the cell. His b complex, electrolytes, b2 will arrive in a few days. That is why thiamin deficiency is referred to as “pseudo-hypoxia”. Each day he declines and we started on magnesium and TFFD (100 mg). 5. Is this mitochondrial disorder that can be reversed? I expect that you will need megadose thiamine and that is why it is so sad that there is medical ignorance. Thank you! When the B1 is inside a cell, it has to be treated by a biochemical process known as phosphorylation to become an active vitamin. Lab results show low function in the B1 enzymes including low NADPH, BH4 and GSH. Respiratory Pathogen Panel. They said they test it and when I questioned further if it was the RBC transketolase and not whole blood thiamine they sent a description of the test which looked correct but is very technical and I’m not sure. I would conclude that your POTS is due to B complex deficiency and that thiamine is included in the equation and MAY be a vital component. Cathy. Dr. Marrs, Lipothiamin comes in 50 mg tablets. Health Diagnostics and Research Institute in New Jersey also apparently will test for thiamine pyrophosphate (TPP) and erythrocyte transketolase (ETKA), but these tests are not listed on their menu and have to be requested. Thanks again, I’ll be in touch soon. Record the symptoms for which the thiamin is being taken. Dr. Lonsdale; I bought two of your books and have been all over the internet looking for a protocol for taking thiamine and which form to use. He havent dared tried supplements but when we figured b1 may be the issue he is willing to try. You should probably do this through a nutritionist who knows the chemistry. The trouble with this is that the symptoms are so easily reversible if they are recognized when they first occur. The transketolase is almost always normal with TD. Very best wishes to you. When you stop the megadose, you relapse because you need to continue the thiamine for life and your son probably needs it too. My B1 came back “normal”. I took 3 X 500 mg / day. Many clues followed through the intermittent illnesses that have cursed him with a diagnosis of psychosomatic disease. This seizure marked the increased onset of seizure activity which led to an eventual temporal lobectomy in April of 2013. It HAS to be FOLLOWED by the TPPE as a separate part of the test. You need megadoses of thiamine and magnesium or get our book that tells you why your life has been one long period of suffering that apparently passes over the heads of doctors. Extreme weakness and loss of power in limbs, started in feet and legs, now notice some weakness in hands Although this is a long post, I know it barely scratches the surface of his situation. Thank you for any input you can provide. Thiamine and magnesium are the best bets. His case was published in a pediatric medical journal in 1969 and may have been read by just a few doctors who practice clinical medicine mainly in an office where they are introduced to the latest magic drug. Before visiting this site I placed the following order Two techniques were used to seek variants of human erythrocyte transketolase and to test for any association of the Wernicke‐Korsakoff syndrome, a thiamin‐deficiency disease, with a particular variant of this thiamin‐dependent enzyme. Med Sci Monit. One hospital thought he was an alcoholic because he was low in thiamine. Would you be willing to write your experience up as an article to be published here? You can reach me via: http://www.hormonesmatter.com/write-for-hormones-matter/. You seem not to have forgotten the great discoveries of years & decades gone by, when “vitamins” were regarded in awe, not as “Very Dangerous” as many Drs. So they gave her Morphine for a Cancer she did not have! | I also read in your book describing thiamine lactic acidosis. 2004 Dec;62 Suppl 12:823-6. From what you have written, I would bet that you have had longstanding thiamine insufficiency. Gastric surgery has been clearly associated with thiamine deficiency and Wernicke’s encephalopathy for some time now. Is it possible to contact you outside this forum for some questions? It wasn’t until I went home afterwards and looked up the ingredients that I found out that vitamin d3 supplements are almost *always* from lanolin! Minerals in the form of Krebs cycle intermediates are better absorbed and utilized. I found a manuscript in which the abstract states “in uterine endometrium, the level of estradiol is controlled by oxidative 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase activity which converts the bioactive hormone to the less active compound estrone” I understand that this is highly technical but what interested me was that the enzyme is classified as a dehydrogenase. My otherwise healthy and very active daughter received her third Gardasil shot during her freshman year of high school. I was given Thiamine Hcl 250 mg , 2 tablets / day and riboflavin 10 mg 2 tablets ( for1 to 2 months). They claim that testing white blood cells give a better picture of micro-nutrient utilization. The test is $25 -arthrosis all over the spine (at the age of 19 already in the cervical spine) Found that testing transcobalimin for better for active form of B12, think Dr Ben listed other. I treated him with intravenous Lipothiamine, resulting in complete relief. Still, I’m afraid to take monitrate again, because the kidney pain was scary. The reaction is catalyzed by transketolase, an enzyme of the pentose phosphate pathway, which is found in high concentration in red blood cells and nervous tissue white matter.911 TKA is Also, if this is not a result I can use would you please let us know exactly what would be correct and where we can get it? The influence of hepatic insufficiency due to alcoholic cirrhosis on the erythrocyte transketolase activity (ETKA). Blood sugar problems, although those improved significantly after removal of sugar However, self-discipline is also a function of the brain and thiamine deficiency will affect that. You can have a normal thiamine level in the blood and still be deficient. Kristensen M, Hanel H, Graudal N, Torp-Pedersen K, Thomsen AC. Odour threshold is at 1.5 to 2.5 ppm, “immediately hazardous to life” at 4 ppm so by the time you smell it, it’s just about too late. Over the years the pains have spread to the whole body. The vitamin D was an exception. Sense of smell is unreliable so the grapefruit odor might be mistaken for maple syrup (?). I n what form? How would you supplement if you had this problem? Fatigue, sleep disorders and digestive were added. I know that Dr. Lonsdale did look into TTFD and Downs syndrome years ago and there were no clear correlation of benefit. I have posted his case on CrowdMed. Red Cell Fragility. But no one can see something is wrong because he speaks fluently and looks normal. Read the post m ore carefully. I am not sure if this helps or not but I have always had issues with remembering stuff- & my mother has issues with memory as well. Before the 2nd injection he was the top long distance cross country runner of his high school, top ten honor student.Unfortunately, 15 days after that 2nd injection he couldn’t run due to dizziness, muscle weakness, and nearly blacking out. As the disease progresses, there is a marked wasting of the leg muscles and even slight pressure applied to the calves elicits severe pain. Thiamine diphosphate is an essential cofactor, along with calcium. God bless . Sometimes I crush the tab in my teeth, and let the powder dissolve under my tongue to take it sublingually. Could a thiamine deficiency be what is what is causing the massive animal die offs to occur in our fish and bird populations? Please. I had a patient whose heart disease responded rapidly to thiamine but became resistant to its benefits. When this happens, the TPPE will decrease and often will fall to zero indicating that the enzyme is fully saturated with thiamine. I was a quiet child. I did not jump to the magnesium problem at the time, but I never forgot the incident and it might just be the answer. 2). Recently, Ive had ongoing pain, soreness, cramps and extreme weakness in my calfs bilaterally. last month, my blood B6 ( phos. Hair loss is typical of scalp energy deficiency and, depending on age of the patient the hair will be replaced with thiamine treatment. 2. I can’t seem to find a lab in my area that does them. I want to discuss the nuances of this further. He also has high folate and b12 and is anemic. I know there is a phrase in medicine of “when hearing hoofbeats don’t look for zebras.” This makes me think his condition has something to do with his anticonvulsants and some latent malabsorption process that is causing a cascading effect of imbalance in his body that is leading to this. I found a PhD thesis from India, showing that Niacin is oxidised by Hypo-Bromous Acid, a breakdown metabolite of the compound they were testing called Brom-amine, very similar to the Frack Bromine Biocides. He recovered quite well by the age of 5 and went through grade school, middle school and high school relatively normally. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Dear Dr Lonsdale In moderate thiamine deficiency the TKA can still be in the normal range but if it is low it indicates that the enzyme is not doing its job efficiently. He has also had lab work done which was relatively normal except for low folate. I read that you mentioned sugar consumption making thiamine deficiency worse. Hey Cathy. Major fatigue, trouble sleeping, brain fog, memory issues, depression, anxiety, loss of appetite, and probably other symptoms that I can not think of at the moment. June 2020. A few weeks after the lab I got neuropathy. 3. Thiamine tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide: a little known therapeutic agent. Then the symptoms started again, blood was routinely checked, came back normal. In august of 2018 out of no where was bombarded with a bunch of random symptoms that I never felt before. Your opinion would be much appreciated. Thiamine deficiency is the major cause. Two nerve blocks were performed with no change in pain. Another important bit of information was the low ferritin. The cerebellum which is thiamine dependent stops growing within hours after birth in a DS mouse model. I slept in the room when that happened next to my friend who died. There has been a study on the effects of RCAN1 on peripheral tissues in DS and the pancreas and spleen function is much lower, especially the pancreas. Unfortunately, because nutritional deficiency is considered to be only of historical interest, that test is insufficiently known and has been confined to the activity of only one lab in the United States. This enzyme, produced by the organism in the bowel, splits the dietary obtained thiamine molecule, rendering it biologically useless. Vitamin B1, Whole Blood. There can be no harm in taking Lipothamine and magnesium on a clinical trial, but my suggestion is that you get a series of intravenous water-soluble vitamins. Usually found in an inborn error of metabolism due to an inherited dehydrogenase defect, it has recently been reported in thiamine deficiency, because thiamine and magnesium are also vital to that enzyme. How much thiamine in the bag? ... Red blood … Please enable it to take advantage of the complete set of features! Serotonin Syndrome and Thiamine: Is There a Connection? He stated that he had to do 20 times normal amount of thiamine and biotin to be able to get out of a chair. Replied. Unfortunately, the only lab in the US shut down recently. I don’t know what results to hope for. Started to very slowly lower, but had huge increase in histamine reactions. Are you willing to share the name of the genetic tests utilized to diagnose a genetic cause for a thiamine deficiency. Do you still think it’s a possibility? That’s a lot and it’s not indicated on the container. My doctor noticed a slight improvement in active folate he said was increased by the B1. As I researched it, it seems unlikely in that the disease is not passed from father to son, but only from fathers to daughters and mothers to either son or daughter. It is urgent as my family and i want to address my problems and symptoms as soon as possible. I contacted Christine and have received a reply which gives more details than this post. Heart palpitations when standing up too fast Are there any experiences if my problems could be linked to thiamine deficiency? I believe the distinction between “POTS”, “dysautonomia” and “cardioneurogenic syncope” is crucial in these cases. 310 M. Baines Discussion Table 4 Relationship between pyruvate tolerance test and red blood cell transketolase activation in population under study 8 of35 cases (23 %), and the leucocyte vitamin C was abnormal in 32 of 35 cases (91%). No smell He has had severe reactions to b12, vitamin d, HBOT, any supplement. think today.. If testing occurs during a red blood cell transketolase measurement, then stimulation that is over 25% will also indicate that a deficiency in this vitamin is present. That is why thiamine deficiency, asymptomatic or inconsequential before vaccination, is precipitated and causes devastating disease. 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